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for everything that occurred in the

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rental champions incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our heads he

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the cleary he turned over to my father

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host michael lowe could be

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joining us in just a moment today's

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podcast is number 62 with roger phillips

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it's a bit of a comic relief show

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interviewed anywhere before a different

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kind of show but i think you'll like it

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last week we had a song on our show

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called 25 lights by moot davis

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moot who was a fan of the show

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he was also the creator and producer

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owned all the rights to that song he

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doing that so there will be no more

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friday night chat rooms i'm sorry about

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that we are going to figure out

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something else um and i will announce

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that later on so michael what's going on

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with the news this week and welcome back

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i'd like to remind everyone that there

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are links to media coverage to all of

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our stories in our show notes which you

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can find at podcastufo.com

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while there you can sign up for our free

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forums where you can connect with other

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listeners in the podcast ufo team to

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share your stories opinions and

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on facebook too now i have to breathe

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after all that sure that was a long one

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nasa solves mystery of recent iss ufo

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uh monday august 19th nasa astronaut

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chris cassidy saw a literally

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unidentified object floating nearby the

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one of the russian service modules view

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the footage and judge for yourself

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yeah i watched that boy that thing had

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really did look like something didn't it

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did glow um but it didn't look like a

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weird iss footage that is out there i

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know the organic stuff and all

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this one go nasa our tax dollars at work

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finally got one right

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google claims responsibility for ufo

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sightings several kentucky ufo sightings

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from last year can be explained

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that at least one man is not so sure

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that google's project loon is

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responsible alan eppley whom they

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describe as an astronomer states that

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google's equipment does not look like

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the object he photographed nor does

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their timeline fit all of the reported

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of fact the sightings were like a year

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see what he has to say duly noted ohio

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of a ufo near a radio tower although the

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ordinary they did experience radio

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interference and they are for now

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to look online which obviously this

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there's more support when you're

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possibility of a little uh intoxication

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did impossible maneuvers and i thought

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it was uh pretty funny that her and her

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husband said it was a hoot

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military man didn't seem to think it was

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this particular sighting didn't really

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indian army troops along the border with

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august 4th although some scientists

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and venus rising the indian army has not

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that in the near future and finally area

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legendary area 51 is in fact real this

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though the base has been photographed

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filmed and featured in television

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documentaries the cia states that it is

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merely a location to test spy planes

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explanation for the base the entire time

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that the base did not officially exist

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there has been a great deal of media

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coverage of this non-event so we linked

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to thewire.com coverage because it

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base that has been very obviously there

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to say that peggy as soon as she saw

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this news breaking she posted posted it

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known as far as being acknowledged by

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the government

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it it makes me think that even if the

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proverbial ufos land on the white house

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lawn uh it could be three to five years

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before anybody from the government

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admits that

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they that they didn't

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in fact land on the white house lawn i

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mean this is just such a ridiculous

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um it quote-unquote admission from the

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cia

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yeah it really is i mean it's

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you know all the comments that are

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coming in on it like are duh

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oh yeah

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you know like boring

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they can't deny it well they did deny it

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though oh well they did deny it you're

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right it can or not damn it they did

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they did okay so uh duly noted

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all right michael is that it for the

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news today

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i can neither confirm nor deny that that

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is the end of the news all right hey

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thanks so much

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all right i'll talk to you next week

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so

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okay i'm with roger phillips um well

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rogers not exactly a ufo researcher

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ufologist uh scientist

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astronomer but he has connections to

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astronomy

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well roger what exactly are you

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hi martin well i'm a alien artist a

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cartoonist i you know that you're you're

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absolutely the first one we have on the

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show oh good i know if that's a good

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thing or a bad thing yeah and i have to

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say your humor

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is uh

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well of course i'm going to ask you how

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you started this but

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you have a a great sense of humor all

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right thank you i appreciate that i

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really enjoy all your your little uh

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sketches you do and uh can you can you

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just tell the listening audience exactly

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first of all what got you started

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well i used to be a product designer for

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a trophy and

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uh award company and i had designed

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these custom

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sculptures

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and it turned out really well one thing

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i did for a client and then after i i

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stopped working at that last job

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uh my my father suggested to me why

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don't i do it on my own and i made a

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line of

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alien and ufo themed sculptures and cut

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more for the serious collector so you

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know they're not so humorous but more

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very realistic looking depicting you

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know historic moments in the ufo history

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and from that

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to promote them i started to do these

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cartoons because that was kind of a a

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dream of mine so to promote the

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sculptures i started drawing the

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cartoons and then they they took a life

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of their own now what made you actually

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go into the uf flow field instead of say

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trophies yeah well

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yeah i'm sure you're familiar with that

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very famous uh mass sighting in the

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hudson valley in new york

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and that was the one that i saw my high

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school friend this was gosh in 1985

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he said run outside there's something

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incredible outside and my father and i

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ran out into the backyard and we have

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these

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uh high power electric lines behind our

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house and there was that famous

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boomerang shaped

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uh ufo hovering over those power lines

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going up the taconic parkway so some

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people may be familiar with that oh yeah

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yeah yeah and and it was it was

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incredible and then that really put us

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on you know on the map or you know we

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became interested in that subject now

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wasn't your father an amateur astronomer

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uh i was i am oh i see yeah you know he

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got me started in it and then you know

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starting at 15 years old i had my first

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telescope from servers merchandise maybe

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some of your older listeners will

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remember that

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yeah and then you know graduated to a

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celestron telescope and

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now i just do it as a hobby and i you

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know i enjoy it very much

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yeah now after you saw this sighting did

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you start to

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really like try to look into the topic

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any way you can you could i did you know

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so i read all the books that were

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available on that and uh you know saw

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the movies and and with my dad again we

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went to see that famous movie hangar 18.

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oh yeah and that really flipped a switch

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in my mind that's a fun movie to watch

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still oh to this day and uh

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it's funny because i i'm actually afraid

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of them i have like a fear of those

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little gray creatures but when i do them

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in the in the cartoon i i make them kind

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of more friendly and approachable yeah

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yeah for a visual i'm going to put up on

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our website a link to um some of your

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some of your great cartoons

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and i have to say you know we kind of

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rant about our facebook page because

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people don't exactly

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go any further than the pictures and let

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me tell you your cartoons by far

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without even thinking about it get the

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most comments and and likes on it then

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anything else we post oh that's great

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news good i like that yeah well it is

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it's good but it's also

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a little bit lame for society

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in a way in a way that you know we put a

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nice science uh say article on there

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okay

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and people will comment on the picture

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only

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yeah so they're very people are very

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visual today don't you think

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absolutely and uh it's funny because i

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was influenced by the single panel

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cartoons by gary larson and the far side

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and so i i i'm pretty you know impatient

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as well so i like to do these single

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panel for the most part and i like that

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quick hit you know get in get out you

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know in this era of vine and and twitter

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you know with only a limited amount of

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characters and it seems to be a good

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format for the internet age yeah i

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believe that's true you know i think the

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total reason for that is because there's

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so much information coming at us in

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every angle i i agree with you you know

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what i see a lot of is uh a lot of

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repurposing of images so somebody may

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take a a famous character and then you

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know do some kind of twist on it and uh

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i always wanted to be a cartoonist in

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the vein of of mad magazine and and the

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new yorker and uh try to make new new

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content

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and um

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so people are responding to it so far

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and i've been doing it for about two

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years and you know slowly gaining a fan

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base and they're very vocal and they

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they give me a lot of suggestions and

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ideas i was going to ask you that

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because i have a couple of ideas for go

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pass them along

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and

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this is probably kind of a

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uncomfortable question but can you make

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money doing this

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uh very little at this point i i think

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the secret to you know what i've read is

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that you have to be a syndicated artist

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and if if you'll notice newspapers are

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not doing so well and the funny section

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is is barely a page now and you see the

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same

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ten

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strips you know blondie and garfield you

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know

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since i was a kid and they just it's

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very hard to break into that

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realm of of a professional cartoonist

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who can you know support himself oh oh i

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bet i bet but didn't one of your

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sculptures wasn't in some tv show or

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something yeah that was kind of neat i i

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you know i plastered the internet you

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know talking to people and i'm a big fan

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of the tv show called the big bang

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theory

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and uh in in raj kuthrapali he's one of

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the characters in the in the program he

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has a few alien and and uh

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ufo spaceship

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items in his uh condo and uh they they

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ordered my hangar 18 sculpture and it's

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actually visible on the show so when

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they you know they shoot a scene in

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raji's condo you'll see my sculpture you

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know really in the center of the frame

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now what are the compositions of your

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sculptures

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uh they are like little little vignettes

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little scenes they're made out of resin

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which is kind of like okay yeah like

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kind of like a ceramic type material

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that's poured in a mold they're

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hand-painted and uh for instance the one

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that's on the big bang theory is an

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alien he's closing the door on a hanger

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like he's he's sneaking in a spaceship

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you know he doesn't want people to see

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it

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and then i have a a a very popular one

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was a a crash landing of course in

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roswell where you see that

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famous image of the the ship on that 45

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degree angle and the aliens are kind of

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shaken up from the impact and you know

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holding their head and you know they're

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glad to be alive and

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that was a very popular one well

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according to myth i should say

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one did live

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okay at roswell yeah well yeah so

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perfect one looks more more worse than

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the other you know so i don't know he

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was dying yeah he was dying so he's kind

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of on his hands and knees kind of

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so does any one of your fans like stand

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out uh to you in any type of way

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yes i'm i'm happy to say uh fred hayes

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who was uh one of the original apollo 13

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astronauts

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that was based obviously tom hanks did

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the movie you know right dramatization

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of his life he is a fan of the strip and

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i was

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so happy to hear that and he's a

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gentleman in his 80s now and you know

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you see pictures of him on facebook and

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he's fishing and you know enjoying his

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retired retirement life and uh

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i i had heard that he was a fan so i i

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found out like a p.o box and i sent him

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a copy of the book of one of my books

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and uh he wrote me back a beautiful

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handwritten letter on the apollo 13

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stationery oh wow

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wow you know i mean i bet you have that

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frame don't you yeah you know like

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that's the kind of stuff you see on pawn

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stars or uh yeah

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antique road show so that's i'm gonna

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that's gonna be framed and i'm still

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using it for uh inspiration and and just

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today my my cartoon is a uh apollo 13

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inspired uh strip where the uh the

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aliens crash into the into the module oh

544
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that's what happened yeah exactly so

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they didn't know it was a meteorite

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struck it or there was an explosion

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inside the ship itself but it was a real

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thrill to get that

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letter from him and he said how much he

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enjoys it and it you know his age and

551
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laughter is the best medicine and

552
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,320
he reads every day so that was a nice

553
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,720
thrill yeah i had a conversation a few

554
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,760
years back with alan bean who was

555
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,520
i can't remember what number he was on

556
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,360
the moon he was you know one of the

557
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,039
people that made it um

558
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,760
and uh but he also had they he was also

559
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,320
part of a major sighting in the 1970s if

560
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,559
you google it yes yeah i read about that

561
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,320
that there are a few of those astronauts

562
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,000
that have seen

563
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,159
unusual things outside of the craft

564
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,200
right yeah but when i i contacted him

565
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,679
about that he did not want to talk about

566
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,280
it yeah of course there's still that

567
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,799
stigma attached to it uh and and it's

568
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,640
funny because i i spoke to some other

569
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,240
people who were you know interested in

570
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,320
the strip and uh

571
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,520
obviously people who are very serious

572
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,440
about the subject might feel that the

573
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,320
cartoon strip uh you know belittles it

574
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:13,039
or somehow diminishes the study and i

575
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,400
said well you know everything is poked

576
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,159
fun of we we're poking fun of

577
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,760
politicians and

578
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,280
you know any other subject you know why

579
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,240
not

580
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:22,080
oh absolutely i mean

581
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:23,520
i never even thought of it that way

582
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,080
myself you know and in this podcast a

583
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,760
lot of times you know we we try to have

584
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,200
a little bit of humor you know because

585
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:30,799
yeah you know the whole thing we don't

586
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,080
have any answers for anything no and uh

587
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,840
you know why not mix it up a little bit

588
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:36,559
and

589
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:42,080
think is that they are

590
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,360
you know supposedly so highly

591
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,280
intelligent and involved you know much

592
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,000
beyond humans yeah that i i think it's

593
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,320
funny to see them in situations

594
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
that are simple to you and i and they

595
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,760
might have trouble with it like coming

596
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:55,120
across a comb

597
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,159
or or

598
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,600
you know something that they're baffled

599
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,720
by our

600
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,960
you know our way of living you know that

601
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,640
they find baffling and or may have

602
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,400
trouble opening a ketchup bottle or

603
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,159
something like that yeah i remember one

604
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,919
of them was like an abduction scene i'm

605
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,679
trying to remember which one that what

606
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,600
that you did they were trying to pull

607
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,360
him pull the person out of the bed do

608
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,760
you remember that one oh sure well uh

609
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,039
he he's uh

610
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,799
well i have a quite a few of them one

611
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
was a popular one that he is in there

612
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,960
with the grim reaper you know he's in

613
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,360
the bedroom and the guy is you know

614
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,440
terrified and then they're they're both

615
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,799
looking at a map and they say you know

616
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,400
the alien says well one of us is at the

617
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,320
wrong address

618
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,240
and you know so who do you choose you

619
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,760
know you want to be taken by the alien

620
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,520
or with the grim reaper

621
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,799
you know take you

622
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,200
another popular one was uh the alien is

623
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,039
dragging the guy out of his room and

624
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,799
he's glued to his laptop and he's

625
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,440
updating his facebook status you know

626
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,200
i think i think that's the one i was

627
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,400
thinking that's the one yeah he's being

628
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,840
dragged he you can't pull him away from

629
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,000
his computer or laptop

630
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,400
now where do you get the inspiration for

631
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,760
for these

632
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,400
luckily i i i sit and i stare until

633
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,960
beads of sweat you know warm on my head

634
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,440
but i grew up with bugs bunny and and

635
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,840
reading that magazine and uh the new

636
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:08,799
yorker

637
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,320
my process is uh think of a of a a scene

638
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,840
or a scenario and then put the aliens

639
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,799
in that

640
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,880
scenario so you know going to the

641
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,360
drugstore uh playing a guitar looking

642
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,720
through a telescope you know and then

643
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,120
you say okay what would happen if

644
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:27,840
now aliens were here or if they meet

645
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,799
different uh characters or or historical

646
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,559
figures through history

647
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,600
obviously they're very strongly

648
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,120
connected to egypt and the uh the

649
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,720
pyramids

650
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,640
so a lot of my cartoons were dealing

651
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,080
with that or easter island that's my

652
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,600
favorite subject there are those famous

653
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,720
moai

654
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,400
heads you know and then maybe aliens

655
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,480
helped construct them and so they make

656
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,240
for a very good subject what one i did

657
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,480
with the alien uh and the uh easter

658
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,880
island heads was he the alien himself is

659
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,279
sculpting the head and the native person

660
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,120
looks just like it you know that long

661
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,880
head and a huge nose but he's a little

662
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,720
tiny native guy

663
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,960
oh that was funny that one did well yeah

664
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,039
now have you ever done the white house

665
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,960
lawn you know the famous white house

666
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,559
lawn i haven't done anything that's like

667
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,080
the fourth of july you're talking about

668
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,799
right with the big spaceship overhead no

669
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,640
i just wondered if you had done any type

670
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,799
of theme of uh on the white house lawn

671
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,159
or with the president or anything like

672
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,960
that i i haven't done one yet uh uh i

673
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,400
did a few with with you know like

674
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,559
politicians doing uh

675
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,880
you know a congressional probe and the

676
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,480
obviously the alien is confused by the

677
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,480
term

678
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,760
and you know that the contract says no

679
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,440
no we don't mean that kind of you know

680
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,279
this is different i haven't done

681
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,120
anything with the with the president yet

682
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,200
you know i need to make it

683
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,720
the subject is good but i have to come

684
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,960
up with the gag that's always that yes

685
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,440
the gag part is is the hard but i've

686
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,960
gotten a lot of suggestions from folk

687
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,640
like this one now i'm going to revisit

688
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,640
it and and people write me letters the

689
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,559
last one i got someone said i love your

690
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,320
cartoons you know i really enjoy them

691
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,120
can you do something about bombing iraq

692
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,360
oh no and i said well well that's not

693
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,880
really that funny and i don't know what

694
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:01,600
i

695
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,679
yeah absolutely yeah have you ever done

696
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,600
a cartoon that just you know you didn't

697
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,320
get any reaction from yeah yeah i never

698
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,640
know what does well and some i think are

699
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,480
going to be this is great i'm

700
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,720
laughing to myself and then they just

701
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:23,600
flop really wow and then other ones just

702
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,720
do incredibly well oh one that my

703
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,200
all-time you know best you know most

704
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,080
hits or or shares on facebook was two

705
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,159
aliens are walking out of the the ufo

706
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,080
there's a you know hapless guy walking

707
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,120
his dog and the two greys are are there

708
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,840
and they have giant uh pea pods on their

709
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,520
head you know like like

710
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:45,760
pea pods green pea pods and they just

711
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,400
say to the guy we come in peas

712
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,159
i remember that i did see that one and i

713
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:52,240
thought it was okay and it just it just

714
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,279
killed

715
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,799
and people loved it nothing was kind of

716
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,799
corny and you know kind of punny

717
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,039
and then other ones you know i i spend

718
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,000
hours and hours oh i know the one uh

719
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:03,840
that i spent a lot of time on it that

720
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,880
really flopped uh i have superman

721
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,000
fighting

722
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,320
you know this crazy space monster you

723
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,640
know kind of like a 1940s 1950s space

724
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,559
monster and and the aliens are floating

725
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,240
overhead with it with their spaceship

726
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,000
and uh

727
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,760
one of them says my money is on the guy

728
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,679
in the tights

729
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,919
i thought it was okay and it just

730
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,679
maybe got like 30 likes and they just

731
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,960
kind of faded or faded away oh

732
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,960
now did i hear you say earlier that you

733
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,159
have a book

734
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,880
i have six books believe it or not okay

735
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,520
i i self-publish you know that's the

736
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,840
bane of uh the starving artist

737
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:42,159
you can publish your books yourselves um

738
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,400
i'll read you the titles quickly

739
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:46,559
the first one is the gray zone and then

740
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,400
gray writes uh a gray trash thrifty

741
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:52,240
shades of gray grey

742
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,039
yeah

743
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,320
which is you know

744
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,399
ripping off the 50 shades of grey uh

745
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,000
gray guevara which was a little bit

746
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,600
controversial and

747
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,520
my newest book which is gray spa like

748
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,760
playing off a day spa oh yes i saw that

749
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,919
with the watermelon on the eyes yeah

750
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,279
yeah you know because i remember the

751
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,200
women like to put those cucumbers on

752
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,200
their eyes to to make themselves look

753
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,039
younger yeah maybe they would have

754
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:15,760
watermelon slices yeah why not why you

755
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,159
know their eyes are so big

756
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,799
you know the great trash uh cover was it

757
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,840
was i chose the protesters this is going

758
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,919
back a year already but the occupy

759
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
movement

760
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,120
was was really big when i was doing this

761
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,960
and then the aliens are holding up signs

762
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,640
you know like uh

763
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,559
you know down with gravity chewbacca for

764
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,600
president

765
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,399
uh

766
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,720
and then the last one is gray rights

767
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,039
and uh george takai am i saying his name

768
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,279
oh yeah yeah star trek he loved that

769
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,440
cartoon shared it with his millions of

770
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,480
fans and that was the most exposure

771
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,039
i had ever gotten and i was still quite

772
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,039
naive then and i didn't put my website

773
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,039
on the bottom of the cartoon and i'm

774
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,919
kicking myself to this day oh yeah yeah

775
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,679
he's still very active

776
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,679
absolutely and i heard him interviewed

777
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
on uh i think it was maybe something

778
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,000
like adam corolla or something and right

779
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,480
and what a fun guy he is he is so nice

780
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,919
and so approachable and he mentioned my

781
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,960
name and

782
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,399
uh you know i said you know take check

783
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,159
check out this guy's work and he was

784
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,399
very you know accommodating and he has

785
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,000
such a good sense of humor about his

786
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,399
time on star trek and aliens and mashing

787
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,120
up star wars with star trek uh one star

788
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,279
trek cartoon i did was the uh the aliens

789
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,440
are going to a renaissance festival

790
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,440
and they are all dressed up as star trek

791
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,440
characters because to them that would be

792
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,679
the past you know that's uh yeah that

793
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,279
that's their renaissance

794
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,880
yeah so you almost have to think a

795
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,039
little bit in some of your cartoons i i

796
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,799
think so i hopefully and then most of

797
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:42,320
them people people get it and you know

798
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000
you always get that funny line that one

799
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,679
guy writes i don't get it and then of

800
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:47,440
course the the rest of the internet blog

801
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,480
comes in

802
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,320
and you know hammer them and hammer the

803
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,840
heck out of him and explain to him

804
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,679
everything about it i i i think you have

805
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,039
to assume a little bit of knowledge of

806
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,720
the subject matter because when i

807
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,720
started doing it i never heard the term

808
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,000
gray

809
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,679
i didn't know that that they are called

810
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,200
grays and there are whites who are come

811
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,440
one of ethereal beings and kind of

812
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,559
spiritual

813
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,320
so a lot of the jokes play off the the

814
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,760
term gray

815
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,080
and and another assumption i i have to

816
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,399
make is that that that they they are are

817
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,440
known to abduct or mutilate cattle

818
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,120
you know i they are attributed to that

819
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,440
so a lot of the gags are with cows and

820
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,799
then people said what is it with the

821
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,039
with the cows why are you always having

822
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,320
these cows

823
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:27,919
in in the scene you know with the aliens

824
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:30,320
so oh oh so people don't they don't know

825
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,600
about the cow

826
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,360
why is the cow there or why is he in the

827
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,200
spaceship or why are why are they

828
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,039
chasing after him like i i did a scene

829
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,799
with the the running of the bulls you

830
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,000
know in

831
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,080
spain but now the bulls are running away

832
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,840
from the aliens and the aliens are

833
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,520
making the the horn sign you know with

834
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:47,039
their fingers

835
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,399
on their heads trying to go after the

836
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,440
balls and the balls of course are

837
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:52,080
terrified oh my god that's really funny

838
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,279
yeah yeah

839
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,679
um yeah and you can do a lot of funny

840
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,919
things with cows i imagine oh you know

841
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,159
it's a great subject you know and and i

842
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:02,159
i don't go a week without

843
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,520
putting a cow into the into the scene uh

844
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,279
the last one was there's a restaurant

845
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,360
scene and then all the the aliens are

846
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,360
having dinner with their bovine

847
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,640
companions

848
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:14,880
in this nice restaurant and uh in the

849
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,039
foreground is an alien with a sheep and

850
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,559
he's breaking up with it with the sheep

851
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:22,080
and he says you know it's not me it's

852
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,399
you you spelled ew oh geez

853
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,240
well you know i i like you because i

854
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,159
have a very corny sense of humor good

855
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,960
likewise you know i like i'm old school

856
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:35,679
yeah keep it clean uh more suggestive

857
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,480
than

858
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,919
descriptive and i don't like to show

859
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,559
anything but let people's minds

860
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:42,960
you know draw conclusions now did we say

861
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:45,840
your website yet uh no not yet it's uh

862
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,830
and uh that's my website all my books

863
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,840
are available there and of course if

864
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,159
folks would like to see it on facebook

865
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:58,880
they could search for close encounters

866
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,919
studios and then they will see that's my

867
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,200
my parent

868
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,120
company you could call it and and over

869
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,519
there i put up a new cartoon every day

870
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,600
every day every day

871
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,120
never miss a day

872
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,120
is that right you never miss it i never

873
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,880
missed a day boy you know for anyone

874
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,799
that's out there that's listening i

875
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,440
would imagine that would be a real fun

876
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,519
thing to check out every single day i

877
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,960
hope so and then if you like the page

878
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,159
you know you'll get it you'll see it in

879
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,399
your feed yeah and it's not not a bad

880
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,919
way and people say you've cheered me up

881
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,159
and i've gotten uh very nice fan letters

882
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,919
you know i had a bad day and things went

883
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,840
wrong and when i see your cartoons it

884
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,080
kind of turns my day around so i said

885
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,000
wow you know great that's kind of the

886
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,840
feedback that we get on our facebook

887
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,919
page and you know people will say things

888
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,440
like that

889
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,480
that's nice to hear yeah yeah and so

890
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:48,080
you know it it's always great when

891
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,120
someone can make a little bit of

892
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,000
difference in some way you know and i

893
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,480
love the the fan mail that we get here

894
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,960
for this podcast because um you know a

895
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,880
lot of people like our approach some

896
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,039
don't of course we always get that but

897
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,960
uh but it's always nice you know it

898
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,120
keeps us going yeah absolutely that

899
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,399
comes with the territory i mean you're

900
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,320
putting yourself out there that's right

901
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,159
and you're gonna get you know both both

902
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,320
type of reactions i think yeah isn't it

903
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,799
amazing how facebook has changed

904
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,799
everything i mean that's it really has

905
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,279
especially for someone like me who's you

906
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,840
know a nobody in the comic book world

907
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,080
and then i i right now i could count you

908
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:27,039
know almost 9 200 fans who who read it

909
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,240
daily

910
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,399
and i could never have reached that on

911
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,000
my own and and the traditional

912
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,000
publishing route i would imagine the

913
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,399
radio world and then film it's very

914
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,880
difficult to break into and now we have

915
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,200
a way to to get out there and you know

916
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,720
skip the middle man

917
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,399
and publish your own book make your own

918
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,000
podcast right

919
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,200
everything yeah yeah it's just amazing

920
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,600
we're actually looking into live

921
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,600
streaming a show once a month on

922
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,720
facebook

923
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,480
oh that's that's fantastic i uh of

924
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,919
course i will i will link to you you

925
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,640
know i like that and that's a big help i

926
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,399
think is when like-minded people are

927
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,640
linking together the common subject or

928
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,480
interest or whatever that may be and

929
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:07,840
boom that really

930
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,399
almost exponentially grows everything

931
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,480
yeah and that's what i found

932
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,800
and this is just the beginning yeah it's

933
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,639
just starting yeah

934
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,760
you know you're mentioning the the

935
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,879
people i there's a young lady in florida

936
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,119
who's such a big fan of the strip she

937
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,560
she bought all the books she got the

938
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,280
sculptures and then she went so far as

939
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,079
to have a large tattoo of of one of my

940
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,079
aliens on her arm

941
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,520
you know and it's on the back of one of

942
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,119
my books i i feature her because i

943
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,480
that's the highest compliment you could

944
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,919
get i i suppose that's right yeah and it

945
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,560
was her favorite cartoon one alien is

946
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,520
staring at a snake like a serpent

947
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,119
and he's pointing at the snake and he

948
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,520
says to the snake ooh staring contest

949
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,720
okay go

950
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:52,079
the two of them are just staring at each

951
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,119
other because i don't think either of

952
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,879
them blink

953
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,919
so they're just gonna have a staring

954
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,440
contest and she loves that

955
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,480
yeah she's gonna have the snake on the

956
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,480
other arm eventually

957
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,119
now do you copyright every single one of

958
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,560
your pieces i do you know i remember

959
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,079
when i was in art school

960
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,320
they said when an artist makes something

961
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,920
you know you have what's called prior

962
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,240
art you are the the owner of it and it's

963
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,480
too cumbersome to always send in you

964
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,640
know to the patent and trademark office

965
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,440
every

966
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,040
drawing or cartoon but there is an

967
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:20,880
implied copyright so i i add the

968
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,240
copyright information on the bottom uh i

969
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,920
found it shared where people have

970
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,920
removed my copyright information and my

971
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,160
signature and post it and that kind of

972
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,640
stings because i'm happy to share it and

973
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,800
i said all i ask is put a link back

974
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,320
to to the website yes so you could use

975
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,760
it whatever you want you know yeah

976
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,520
that's that's very that's very generous

977
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,280
of you yeah you know i think in this day

978
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,280
and age you have to i guess you know

979
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,960
especially now that i'm just starting

980
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:46,079
out you know

981
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,599
there's no no such thing as bad

982
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,040
publicity so

983
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,760
go ahead you know take it share it

984
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,640
you know and it's funny because

985
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
sometimes

986
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,000
people send me my old cartoons back like

987
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,480
hey look at this one why didn't you do

988
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,000
this and i said that's mine they just

989
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,160
took all my information out oh my god

990
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,280
that is

991
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,359
or it's not really funny but it's funny

992
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,760
no it's tragically funny or worse they

993
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,240
they'll remove my my text on the bottom

994
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,320
of the caption and and add something you

995
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,880
know gross or or offensive oh that's bad

996
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,119
yeah i said hey i didn't do that if you

997
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,800
were a dick about the whole thing you

998
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,119
could just you know sue these people i

999
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:22,720
guess so but you know it's so hard to

1000
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,359
prove damages you know like

1001
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,560
you know like

1002
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,160
i don't know what to say like i mean i

1003
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,760
think the attorney would cost more than

1004
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,560
any any any damages i could get back i

1005
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,320
think when you get into the realm of of

1006
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,920
uh you know i hate to keep using

1007
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,240
garfield or marmaduke or i don't know

1008
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,839
you know some sort of trademarkable

1009
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,079
character and and he's well known and

1010
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,440
the you know the the whole thing is

1011
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,440
worth millions of dollars at this point

1012
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,920
you know i'm a guy in my my room you

1013
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,440
know and then how much is it really

1014
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:51,040
worth you know maybe for future earnings

1015
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,320
i guess but

1016
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,040
it's just conjecture yeah or all artists

1017
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,880
face that you know i mean even look look

1018
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,480
at your your podcast it could be copied

1019
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,119
or or yeah distributed and you know not

1020
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,240
attributed to the to the artist

1021
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,079
and i'm fine i'm actually fine with that

1022
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:08,560
myself you know like you said if you

1023
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,920
know it gets out there recently uh back

1024
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,599
in april

1025
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
i did a little clip with stan friedman

1026
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,839
basically saying that

1027
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,839
flying saucers weren't real as a joke

1028
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,160
you know for april fools right and uh

1029
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,520
you can't believe how many people took

1030
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,359
it seriously you know

1031
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,200
and uh i'm gonna be seeing stan in a

1032
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,359
couple of weeks and uh uh hopefully

1033
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,440
we're still on a friendly basis oh my

1034
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,760
goodness yeah and this was meant to be a

1035
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,160
joke yeah now have you ever done have

1036
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,640
you ever done a caricature like say

1037
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:41,040
stan friedman in one of your i haven't

1038
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,400
done that yet i've done a few

1039
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,240
celebrities i did a james bond like a

1040
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,480
daniel craig uh you know drawing as best

1041
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,560
as i could you know capture his likeness

1042
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,160
where uh the bartender is the alien and

1043
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,320
of course james bond is earning uh uh

1044
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,240
ordering a martini

1045
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,640
and he wants it uh shaken not stirred

1046
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:00,400
that's his fame and of course the alien

1047
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,680
is using his finger to stir his martini

1048
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,040
and you know james bond looks suitably

1049
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,640
annoyed yeah and i i did a few uh

1050
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,440
captain jean-luc picard cartoons

1051
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,440
he's kind of an easy guy to caricature

1052
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:16,400
yeah uh he's he's holding his famous tea

1053
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,359
tea cup

1054
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,440
uh he's there's an alien sticking out of

1055
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,040
the teacup and he's yelling at the

1056
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:23,280
computer and he says computer i said

1057
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,589
that's pretty good uh so that that was a

1058
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,560
popular one they liked it and the

1059
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,520
alien's just kind of sitting in the

1060
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,480
teacup

1061
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,280
yeah yeah now you also have a website uh

1062
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,440
it's close encounter studios yes that's

1063
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,960
another one that's where the sculptures

1064
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,320
are available and that was my first one

1065
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,480
so that started out you know my

1066
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,839
sculptures are available there and then

1067
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,000
as well as the books and i i put up some

1068
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,800
ufo and alien news i find interesting a

1069
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,640
little bit of history about me you know

1070
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,200
where i you know my my background i was

1071
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,520
i was a art student in in new york city

1072
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,599
and became a graphic artist for a few

1073
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,040
years and

1074
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:02,000
now i'm devoting my time to becoming a

1075
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,119
cartoonist

1076
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,359
now getting back to

1077
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,359
the roots here do you

1078
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,000
take the subjects in a serious way

1079
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,800
i believe in the subject like i'm a you

1080
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,960
know i'm a believer in it i i i've seen

1081
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,440
it you know i i'm fascinated by it i'm a

1082
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,440
little frightened by it uh

1083
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,599
i take it seriously but i think the fact

1084
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,599
that it is a serious subject makes for a

1085
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,560
great way to parody it you know it's

1086
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,320
you know there are real life events and

1087
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,320
and and it makes for a wonderful subject

1088
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,839
and i like to draw them you know i like

1089
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,920
to draw these guys you know

1090
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,680
that's pretty obvious to do one a day do

1091
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,320
you actually do one a day or like how do

1092
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you take time off do you ever take time

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off uh no and i'll tell you why i'm

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afraid to because then you know you fall

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out of a habit so if i know i'm going to

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be away or something i'll do two or

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three and then i'll post them you know

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ahead of time and

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uh

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i'm just going to tell you and your

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listeners now uh

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i'm working secretly on a secret book

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where people do not see the cartoons

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online and it's called project gray book

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and i'm going to i'm going to put all

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these cartoons i think

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a little bit controversial or

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a little bit strange and then they're

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going to go to my secret book so

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sometimes i'll do two or three a day and

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i'll put one up online and then the

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other two or three i'll scroll away and

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and they're going to be saved for my

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super secret book so if they want to see

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it they have to read the book uh-huh so

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roger in closing what would you like to

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say to our listening audience well i

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would like to tell them to come on and

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read the comics you know you're you're

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welcome to comment on them i i love to

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see the comments you know many of them

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get 20 to 30 to 40 comments on them and

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get the dialogue going and and people

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00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,960
really use that to talk about their own

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experiences that they had and it was

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kind of a good venue for all that so i i

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welcome them to read them come on check

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them out see if they like it oh and and

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share them with your friends of course

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yes and we will definitely

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cross-pollinate our facebook pages uh

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with this podcast terrific and we'll

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grow both pages a little i appreciate it

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i appreciate your time all right thanks

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so much roger thank you so much martin

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bye-bye now so that's it for our show

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today i hope you enjoyed it and if you

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go to our show notes you will see an

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idea that i had that i gave to roger and

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you actually drew a cartoon it's getting

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a lot of action so that was a lot of fun

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so go to our show notes on podcast

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podcastufo.com

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don't forget to check out our facebook

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00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,480
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